Sunday, October 26, 2008

Jacobs: thanks but no thanks!

10/28 edit - So it appears Rosa was the Marlins target. I'm not sure what Moore was thinking but I hope this deal isn't revisited.
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 The Royals were reportedly close to obtaining Mike Jacobs but the deal fell apart according to Barry Jackson.

The Marlins, who had a $22 million payroll in 2008, wanted to deal Jacobs to Kansas City, but the deal died last week because of a medical issue involving the minor-league pitcher that Florida would have received.

I don't know who the minor league pitcher was but I hope it wasn't Carlos Rosa. Jacobs is a decent hitter (career 110 OPS+) but we already have someone who hits some home runs, strikes out a lot, and refuses to walk - we really don't need another. His OBP has gone down every year since his rookie season with last season falling below .300 and new hitting coach Kevin Seitzer plans on stressing plate discipline which is not a Jacobs strength. This deal would not have made any sense.

I just don't see how Jacobs fits or where he would be an upgrade over Ryan Shealy.

17 comments:

Antonio. said...

And it's things like this that make me wonder what the heck is going on. Mike Jacobs? Not long after--and mind you, I currently have no way of backing this up, but I am offering my word--Dayton became GM, ESPNsider had us rumored to be interested in Jacque Jones!

Dayton, maybe you can still score Scott Thorman.

Anonymous said...

32 home runs!!!!! When was the last time a Royal hit that many? I swear moneyball was the worst thing to happen to baseball since the dh. Now all people look at his obp!! 32home runs!!!

Antonio. said...

Why would that be all that you look at though?

The name of the game is not getting out. OBP shows how good a player is at not getting out. Yes, 32 HR is a lot of HR for the Royals to acquire, but how many automatic outs can one team afford? Look past the HR and you see that he doesn't do much else.

Also, there's the cost, which would be too much. Is it hard to conceive that Ryan Shealy + whatever it would take to get Jacobs would be more productive than Jacobs himself?

Antonio. said...

Just a thought, but could the player be Brent Fisher?

John said...

hey jeff, i heard rumbling about a kc and cleveland talking about swapping mark teahen for a centerfielder.

how does royally speaking feel about that one?

Jeff said...

I like Franklin Gutierrez and Ben Francisco so I wouldn't have a problem with a trade straight up for either one of those two. I think Francisco could be our Carlos Quentin. I'm not enamored with the minor leaguer Trevor Crowe.

Ray W said...

I'm not seeing Carlos Quentin in Ben Fransisco I think he "could". but at 27 I'm a little worried he could be just the next Kevin Mench.

But any of the three would be an improvement for "us", but I have the sinking feeling as soon as he's gone Teahen will become the next Wellemeyer.

And Antonio if the pitcher was Brent Fisher, BF for a guy who hit 32 HR's would be way to insane but hey the Marlins are good at picking talent.

Also I know it's ya'lls blog but great post by anonymous

Jeff said...

I should have clarified my Quentin comparison, I just meant a change of scenery might help Francisco bust out. He definitely didnt have the minor league numbers Quentin put up but I could see him being a perennial 20/80 type of guy.

Antonio. said...

HRs are factored into OBP. And into slugging. Why rely on only one stat alone opposed to a composite of statistics? Yes, he has very good power, but he doesn't have enough of the other hits to further his power. He too frequently gets himself out. Getting outs is the job for the defense, not the offense.

Jeff said...

Agreed and with Jacobs approach it will be hard for him to hit 30 HRs every year thus negating his value.

Ray W said...

Ok thanks Jeff 20/80 is reasonable I thought you meant more like 30/100 from Fransisco

Ray W said...

Rotoworld says it was Rosa

Antonio. said...

And is it yet fair to question Moore? Does Moore believe in his ability to acquire pitching talent that he can afford to throw a prospect like Rosa away? Is Rosa over-rated or is he just a Baird guy? I think it's to the point where you just have to wonder if that's not his mode operanti, this getting rid of Baird guys. And what the heck are the Marlins thinking not going ahead with this deal?

Antonio. said...

It looks like this deal might be an inevitable thing--except not for Rosa. Leo Nunez. This is something I can get behind as I tend to support getting a starting offensive player for a reliever each and every time possible.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081029&content_id=3653588&vkey=news_fla&fext=.jsp&c_id=fla&partnerId=rss_fla

Jeff said...

Jeffrey Flanagan is against this deal for many of the same reasons I am which has me a little bit scared.

This deal is less painful if Leo is the one shipped out.

MVB said...

hey jeff it looks like jacobs to kc is done. what's your guy's take? i'm guessing not too pleased. got to assume this will lead to another move with shealy, kila, butler, teahen, and gordon as corner infielders already on the roster.

Jeff said...

I just added a new post with my opinion of this deal, bottom line is I dont like it.